Waiting Upon The Lord

The Ultimate Room For 'Waiting Upon The Lord." I want one...

Silence is a truly rare thing. All reverberation is removed… all sounds that aren't coming from your own body disappear. After a few moments in the anechoic chamber, you'll begin to feel a touch jumpy. Hearing your heart beat, your blood pulse, the sound of your own ear buzzing and your body functioning like you've never heard before has a tendency to be a bit unnerving. And in complete silence, you lose all sense of space and surroundings. The absence of reflected sound and reverberation makes "feeling out" the room impossible.

I have been in Desert places where I could hear my own heart beating...and I have seen grown men freak out at the silence. Some people just can't take it and panic. Silence can be enlightening or it can be terrifying.

I know that I could stay in there for a few hours because when you wait upon the Lord you are absorbed in doing it and the silence becomes a non~issue.

lukas wrote: "I spoke with Steve Orfield on the phone and I could seriously talk with him for hours about what he does. Really nice guy and he's just full of extremely interesting information regarding audio.

He said they have an ongoing bet for a case of beer regarding the chamber. If someone can last 45 minutes in there by themselves with the lights off, then they get a case of beer. If I remember correctly no one has been able to make it past a half-hour yet.

Basically with such a lack of sound the body and mind start freaking out. Imagine your heart beat being the loudest thing in the room. He can go into much more detail than I, but I found that extremely interesting."

From Wikipedia,

In 1951, John Cage American composer, philosopher, poet, music theorist, artist, printmaker visited the anechoic chamber at Harvard University. An anechoic chamber is a room designed in such a way that the walls, ceiling and floor absorb all sounds made in the room, rather than reflecting them as echoes. Such a chamber is also externally sound-proofed. Cage entered the chamber expecting to hear silence, but he wrote later, "I heard two sounds, one high and one low. When I described them to the engineer in charge, he informed me that the high one was my nervous system in operation, the low one my blood in circulation."^[12] Cage had gone to a place where he expected total silence, and yet heard sound. "Until I die there will be sounds. And they will continue following my death.

I would like to see an anechoic chamber that has also been neutralized from any kind of radio waves and microwaves and electromagnetic intrusion by a Faraday cage built around it.

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A Truly Great Teaching From The Holy Spirit Through A Sensitive Servant...

The Rule of Peace
By Kriston Couchey kcouchey04@earthlink.net

KNOWING GOD'S WILL

1Co 14:33 For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.There should never be confusion among the children of God as to God's will. God has freely given us all things in Christ Jesus, including His direction in EVERY path we are to take in life. He has given us His Holy Spirit. The Spirit gives us direction that we may know and walk fully in God's will. If you are truly His child, you are never without the Spirit of God who desires constant communion and fellowship. And how does He, the Spirit of truth lead us into God's will? He leads us by the Peace of God.

GOD'S PEACE IS YOUR RULER

Col 3:15 And let the peace of God rule in your hearts, to the which also ye are called in one body; and be ye thankful.
Strong's definition for the word "rule" is: to umpire, decide, determine, direct, control, or rule.
The world's definition of peace is: everyone gets along and tolerates each other. But this is not God's peace. The peace of God within is the inward indicator that directs or controls us. The pathway of obedience to God's will is paved by peace in the inner man. This does not mean our flesh does not revolt against the will of God, what it means is we must learn to walk "hearing" the voice of the Spirit within us and crucifying the flesh. We walk in a sense of peace when we are in obedience, or we experience a lack of it when we chose our own will. Peace or the lack of it is the yes and no answer of God to us. Every activity we engage in is either in concert with His will or not, and His peace is the umpire within that gives us the "green go" or "red stop" light. In all we do and say we gauge the direction and intentions of the Lord for our lives by His peace as the inward witness.

God does and will make known His will through scripture, speaking directly to us, dreams, visions and impressions. But, these are always accompanied with His peace. At times I personally experience a flow of peace like a river when engaged in an activity that is initiated by the Spirit within me. My fervent goal as of recently is to walk fully in this path of peace in every single aspect of my life. This is walking by the Spirit. When we lose our own will and walk submitted to only His will we remain in peace.

GOD'S REST

Isa 32:17 And the work of righteousness shall be peace; and the effect of righteousness quietness and assurance for ever.The Rest of God is about ceasing from our own works, and putting to death your own will that God's perfect will may manifest in and through us. Jesus said, "Come to me you who are weary and burdened and I will give you rest. Take MY yoke (connecting harness) upon you for my yoke is easy and my burden light." His is not a yoke of regulatory works and law . His yoke is being connected to Jesus in pulling the light burden of God's peace within. It is a bond (connection) of peace in the Holy Spirit.

When we are doing our own will, we break the connection/yoke. Here is the Rest of God: ceasing your own will and works, and walking in the easy yoke (connected to Jesus) and light burden of the peace of God.

Peace I leave with you, my peace I give unto you; not as the world gives, give I unto you. Let not your heart be troubled, neither let it be afraid. ~Jesus~In Gethsemane Jesus struggled with His own will vs. God's will, He became "settled" or entered into the peace of God's will when He said, "not my will, but yours be done. It was Jesus' flesh that resisted the cup of suffering on the cross, and our flesh also fears and fights. But, we can still come to peace, which is not just a feeling, but a state of being in which we are settled to do the will of God in spite of feelings. Even though Jesus sweat drops of blood there was never the lack of God's presence which is marked by His peace. He gives peace to us even in our fear. He is wanting us to enter fully into His peace by an act of our will to trust Him, and then peace fills us fully. The unsettling part is the battle.The peace of God is a tangible manifestation of the state of our relationship of trust and surrender to Father God. Total surrender to His will brings total peace.

Isa 26:3 Thou wilt keep him in perfect peace, whose mind is stayed on thee: because he trusts in thee.This trust and surrender is the REST of God. We are called to enter into this rest, which is the complete dependence and confidence in God's sovereignty and grace. The battle of "striving" to enter God's rest is a battle to stop our own efforts and own tendency to do it ourself and our own way out of the fear and anxiety of our flesh. I Peter 3:11 ...let him separate himself from evil and do good; let him seek peace and follow it.

PEACE IS THE SIGN OF TRUE UNITY

Eph 4:3 Endeavouring to keep the unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace.Many unite in the name of Jesus for what they would call "Church". If you are like me, you have attended a gathering only to recognize that God is not there and His peace is not present. True unity is found in the Spirit, which is signified by a deep abiding peace of God. Gathering in a building 3 times a week does not mean God is there. True fellowship is where "the Lord is the Spirit, and where the Spirit of the Lord is there is liberty". There is also unity in the same Spirit in the bond of peace in and among His children.

...And entering into the house, salute it. And if the house is worthy, your peace shall come upon it; but if it is not worthy, your peace shall return to you. And whosoever shall not receive you nor hear your words, depart out of that house or city and shake off the dust of your feet. ~Jesus~When you interact with others in the process of doing God's will, your peace is affected by the response of others to you. God resists the proud, and you can tell if you are not received because the measure of peace within you turns to resistance or hardening of the Spirit towards those who will not receive the Word in you. Yet when you are received God's peace flows. The state of God's peace in your heart judges or discerns the hearts of others.

PEACE AND THE BATTLE

God's peace is the greatest of weapons, disarming and disturbing the powers of hell when one who contains the peace and rest of God is present. In a spiritual battle there can be "resistance" in your inner being that needs release through prayer or intercession. This can be mistaken by the immature as missing God. But God is communicating His resistance to wickedness through this hardening in you. God is wanting us to respond in the manner He does through His inner presence and the umpire of peace within. We must harden when He hardens and flow when he flows. Let that peace rest in you as you die to your own will that God may fill you with His perfect peace. And may we learn to recognize and respond to the inner witness of the Holy Spirit. 

 

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We would go deep into the desert places in our 4x4's to seek after God and to wait upon Him. This we did once a month for years and years. We went where no car can go, just four wheelers. No guns to practice target shooting, no dirtbikes, no radios or mp3 players, nothing to distract from our intentioned purpose for driving so far away into the desert places.

And guess what? He always showed up and spoke to all of us. What kind of things did he say to me? I recently came across one of the things that He had said to me that I had written down in a small pocket size note pad. Here is what he had said to me while I was alone in the middle of a desert with no one else in sight. But before I share it, let me say this.

I had been waiting upon Him in a beach chair on a hot summer Saturday morning. Then I had started to pace back and forth spiritually naked before God.

So as I am inwardly listening with my spirit and bodily walking back and forth reverently waiting for a Word from God, one starts to come into my spirit. One of the reasons all of us take the time to go out into the desert is to hear from the Lord.

A very easy thing to do when there are no distractions. No phone, no people. No obligations. Just a weekend to dedicate to waiting upon the Lord.

You get used to hearing God speak to you way out there in the desert silence. Some times it can be so still and quite that you can hear your own heart beating.

After awhile you find yourself being timed to God's timing. A peaceful relaxation takes over. A rest and a slow down like you were not you for the moment. I mean the hectic pace of the world of men falls off you and the starbucks stuff goes out of your system.

Then Almighty God starts to speak.

"The world will confuse thee. Silence will speak more to thee in a day than the world of voices can teach thee in a lifetime. Find it. Find solitude and having discovered her riches, bind her to thy heart. I minister to thee in solitude that ye may minister of Me to others as a spontaneous overflow of our communion. Never labor to serve, nor force opportunities. Set thy heart to be at peace and to sit at My feet.

I Am a jealous God, and I am always at peace with Myself. I would have you to be likewise at peace with My Spirit within you. As you give Me My rightful place and do not allow others to intrude, ye shall be at peace with Me.

Be very serious in this. I Am not speaking to you lightly. I was never more in ernest in any message that I have brought to you. Do not fail Me.

I have brought you this message at various times in the past. It was never more ergent than now. For man is experiencing a new awakening and he is searching for My truth more than ever, and I must speak through My prophets, and if they be not separated unto Me, how can I instruct them?

Yea, I shall nourish thee by the brook as I nourished Elijah. And I shall speak to thee out of the bush as I spoke to Moses, and reveal my glory on the hillside as I did to the shepherds.

I want to make you strong. I want you to be a devastator. I have brought you to this place. Make the most of it. Drink in the silence. seek solitude. Listen to the silence. It will teach you. It will build strength. Let others share it with you. It is priceless. It is little to be found elsewhere." 

 

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http://perrynoble.com/blog/how-do-i-listen-to-god-part-one

 

 

Wednesday Bday

Just so you know:
Wednesday (ⁱ/ˈwɛdənzdeɪ/, ⁱ/ˈwɛnzdeɪ/ or /ˈwɛnzdi/) is the day of the week between Tuesday and Thursday. According to international standard ISO 8601 adopted in most western countries it is the third day of the week. In countries that use the Sunday-first convention Wednesday is defined as the fourth day of the week. It is the fourth day of the week in the Judeo-Christian calendar as well, and was defined so in the ancient Mesopotamian and biblical calendars. The name is derived from Old English Wōdnesdæg and Middle English Wednesdei, "day of Wodanaz", ultimately a calque of dies Mercurii "day of Mercury".
Wednesday is in the middle of the common Western five-day workweek that starts on Monday and finishes on Friday.

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 Oh this can't be good....
"Terrafugia, a company that has been working on flying car prototypes for years, said it is now

leaning toward an autonomous vehicle for safety reasons. Carl Dietrich, co-founder, CEO and CTO at Terrafugia, said at MIT last weekend that the company wants to build something that is statistically safer than driving a car. 'It needs to be faster than driving a car. It needs to be simpler to operate than a plane. It needs to be more convenient than driving a car today. It needs to be sustainable in the long run,' he said. The company's flyable car is designed with foldable wings and falls into the light sport aircraft category. It's expected to take off and land at small, local airports and to drive on virtually any road. Dietrich said the next-generation flying car is a four-seat, plug-in hybrid that doesn't require the operator to be a full-fledged pilot. A spokeswoman said today that the company is probably two years away from production."



Coal Mine Fire Underground:
 "You can drop a bucket of water over it and it looks like the fire is out but it will come back as a smoldering fire."

Respecter of persons?

A man named John

The quotation "All men are created equal" is arguably the best-known phrase in any of America's political documents, as the idea it expresses is generally considered the foundation of American democracy.

Thomas Jefferson first used the phrase in the Declaration of Independence. None of Jefferson's biographers or studies of the Declaration accept the claim that the phrase was suggested by Philip Mazzei, although this claim has been made by non-scholars.

The opening of the Declaration of Independence written by Thomas Jefferson in 1776, states as follows:

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness."

US President Abraham Lincoln succinctly explained the central importance of the Declaration to American history in his Gettysburg Address of 1863:

"Four score and seven years ago our fathers brought forth on this continent, a new nation, conceived in liberty, and dedicated to the proposition that all men are created equal."

The phrase was also quoted by Martin Luther King, Jr. in his famous I Have a Dream speech, as the "creed" of the United States:

"I have a dream that one day this nation will rise up and live out the true meaning of its creed: 'We hold these truths to be self-evident: that all men are created equal."

Even before all of this a man in the wilderness loudly declared essentially the same idea.

Matthew 3:1
In those days came John the Baptist, preaching in the wilderness of Judaea, John 1:6There was a man sent from God, whose name was John.

This man was no respecter of persons. He knew that of a certainty, all men are created equal. He gave out his message of the light to all. He bowed down to no man.
God expects that of us.

Jeremiah 1:4-5
Then the word of the LORD came unto me, saying,
Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, and I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations.

Jeremiah 1:8
Be not afraid of their faces: for I am with thee to deliver thee, saith the LORD.

How many times have we deferred speaking out for the Lord because of the status or the stature of others?

I once found my self working on a new home being built by a man who was recently retired. He had build a large financial empire that employed hundreds of men. He got used to the special treatment that others gave him because of his position in his company and because of his financial status that he had achieved.
He couldn't understand the insulance of all of the construction workers who were engaged in the process of building his mansion. He had no understanding of the independence that almost all men in construction have.

His wife let me know that he was suffering deep depression and did not understand why. I did...
I had no greater respect for him anymore then I did for the man who was picking up the construction trash around the job. Both were equal in my eyes and worthy of equal treatment and equal respect..

One day the man asked me to tell him what I thought about how long it would take to complete his home. The builder had told him that it would take two years. I told him the truth, it was going to take much longer then that. Then I told him why he was depressed.

He was used to the position that he had held for so many years in his business that he had build. He had grown accustomed to special treatment from others. He had learned to think of himself as being above them in a sense. He grew to feel that he was not equal to those around him. This also happens to people who come into wealth at times.

And now here he was retired around all of these independent construction mavericks who could care less who he was or what he had achieved or what he possesses . He was no longer respected or honored like he was accustomed to, and this was a painful reality for him. He thought of himself in the false way that his position in his company had entitled him to and made him accustomed to.

I gave him my, "We all came into this world naked and we are all going to leave this world naked" speech.

You know the only thing that we can take with us is what we did with God's Son Jesus Christ and how we conducted our lives and how we treated others while in this world. Sure we can amass power and position over others. Some men are never satisfied with what they have, always needing more wealth and more power.

These kind of men are in power behind the scenes of this earth today. They are currently making their power moves to end the nations of this earth to establish their one world global government that they will be the heads of. Little do they realize that their leader is Satan himself. Nor do most of them realize that the Bible has predicted their actions way before any of them even existed. The antichrist is at work in the earth today through them.

We see the subtle and gradual things that they are doing to remove sovereignty and independence from nations and individuals. How they are doing this is so simple and so obvious to those who have eyes to see and ears to hear.

 The recent controversy about Franklin Graham is a sign of things to come.


Matthew 16:1-3
The Pharisees also with the Sadducees came, and tempting desired him that he would shew them a sign from heaven.
He answered and said unto them, When it is evening, ye say, It will be fair weather: for the sky is red.

And in the morning, It will be foul weather to day: for the sky is red and lowering. O ye hypocrites, ye can discern the face of the sky; but can ye not discern the signs of the times?
The signs of the times? Look around you. See what is going on. See. Hear.
The coming of the Lord is at the door.

Evil is ever increasing. My country, America, is under major attack from within. Christians have been lulled into complacency, thinking that there are those who are watching out for their interest when the adverse is true.

 Satan has made great headway in America in the last few years, right under the noses of Christian leadership. One day they will wake out of their slumber, but then it will be too late. The works that evil men have done will be intrenched and undo-able. America's Christian influence will be handed off to the Chinese Christians like a batton in a relay race. The Chinese will go out into the Arab nations with the gospel message.

Matthew 13:12
For whosoever hath, to him shall be given, and he shall have more abundance: but whosoever hath not, from him shall be taken away even that he hath.

Why did Jesus say this?
His answer:
Matthew 13:10
And the disciples came, and said unto him, Why speakest thou unto them in parables?

He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given.

For whosoever hath, to him shall be given, and he shall have more abundance: but whosoever hath not, from him shall be taken away even that he hath.

Therefore speak I to them in parables: because they seeing see not; and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand.

And in them is fulfilled the prophecy of Esaias, which saith, By hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and shall not perceive:

For this people's heart is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with their eyes and hear with their ears, and should understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.

But blessed are your eyes, for they see: and your ears, for they hear.

We watch something happen on TV and we are told one thing when we are watching another thing. We hear what is happening but we are told we didn't hear it. We see what is happening, but we are told we are seeing something else. And we believe what we are told to believe.

Where is our Christian spiritual discernment? Who are we listening to? Who are we believing? Our inner witness of the Holy Spirit or the news sources?

As a result we are going to lose. Correct that...we have lost.
Only a matter of time before the gospel batton is handed from America to China...

"For this people's heart is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with their eyes and hear with their ears, and should understand with their heart..."

John 11:35
Jesus wept.

This message didn't turnout like I thought it would.

I think that while we are all equal as men. We are not all equal spiritually. Even those who say that we are, are wrong. Who are you serving? Are you serving your self or are you serving the Lord? You decide!

Joshua 24:15
And if it seem evil unto you to serve the LORD, choose you this day whom ye will serve; whether the gods which your fathers served that were on the other side of the flood, or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land ye dwell: but as for me and my house, we will serve the LORD.

http://www.fathersloveletter.com/fllpreviewlarge.html

http://www.allaboutphilosophy.org/gods-love.htm

http://www.allaboutgod.com/god-is-love.htm

http://www.godandscience.org/love/

https://www.xmarks.com/site/www.columbia.edu/cu/augustine/a/unique4.html

The Ark

The Man Who Found The Ark Of The Covenant In 1982

In the mid seventies I stood on top of the place of the scull, "Golgotha." I knew that I knew deep within that I was standing where Christ shed His blood for humankind. But what I did not know was the fact that exactly 20 feet below where my feet were physically standing was the Ark of the Covenant! Hidden for hundreds of years in a cave with other things.

One very significant discovery was that the blood of Jesus Christ had trickled down a natural crevice in the cliff on to the Ark of the Covenant. As if all had been planned by Almighty God. The Ark was the place of His presence upon this earth, His earthly throne.

I did experience the powerful presence of the Holy Spirit as I stood there. I could see pastor Chuck Smith and a handful of other visitors over on a viewing platform above the Arab bus station. They could see me standing up there in front of them. I was standing where no one was allowed to stand. In an Arab graveyard on top of Golgotha.

Few of us have had this unique experience of standing there. But I had determined to stand where Jesus had died for me. I was young and strong and very able to scale the twelve foot wall that would get me to my destination.

All I can recall was standing there and experiencing supernatural power. So strong that I panicked after a while and went back down the way that I had come up. A human who was just twenty feet from the Blood of Jesus Christ and the Ark of the Covenant. You can only imagine how that felt and how powerful the presence of God was manifesting to me.

Today, even if you stood there, it would not be the same. They have obviously hidden away the Ark. Stored away for the rebuilding and re instituting of animal sacrifice as predicted.

You can see the video's of this fascinating discovery on youtube.com.
Just look up the name of Ron Wyatt.

Here is a video I have selected to wet your interest:

The Tomb In The Garden

We don't have to stop thinking!

Why Aren't Christians Smarter?

Have you ever wondered why Christians aren’t smarter? I mean, we have the only true religion, we have a Book which is responsible for all of Western Civilization, and we serve a God who can safely call Himself the supreme champion at every trivia contest.So why aren’t we smarter? Well, the reasons are many, but the goal of changing that condition is the driving passion of my life. Having taught college philosophy, my background is in equipping people to think better, and I used to think that talent was best used in the secular world. Three years ago,however, I was persuaded by some good counsel to turn my attention toward the Body of Christ, and that’s why I came to Phoenix to do my radio show weekdays from 5to 7 p.m. on AM 1360 KPXQ.

Not thinking well is a sin.

God commands us very simply: Love Him with all our heart, and with all our soul,and with all our mind. Catch that last part … with all our mind. This means thinking is not optional for the Christian. Thinking, and thinking well, is a form of worship of God which is nothing short of obedience to His primary command. Hence, if we do not"use the brain God gave you," (my mom’s favorite rhetorical chastisement), we are sinning.

Not thinking well is a scandal.

The most pervasive myth about Christianity is that it is incompatible with intelligence.

This is what I believed before I became one, and it made me not want to be one. I say it is a myth both because nothing demands more thinking capacity than being a faithful Christian and also because our history is rich with intellectual giants.

Nonetheless, Christianity has a reputation as a religion for fools, and this is at least partially our own fault. By offering empty platitudes such as, "Well, you have to have faith," when challenged with difficult questions, outsiders can be forgiven for forming the impression that what we really mean is, "Well,you have to be stupid." This puts people in the painful situation of feeling like they have to choose between their mind and God. Also, it makes Christianity offensive to the smartest people in society, who tend to be culture’s greatest influencers. Thus, simply showing non-Christians that one can be both smart and faithful is a powerful form of evangelism.

Fishers not just fish-eaters.

"If you give a man a fish, you feed him for a day. If you teach him how to fish, you feed him for a lifetime." Simple. Obvious. But, all too often, it’s not the guiding principle of Christian education.

Christians can be so concerned about having the right answers (good doctrine), that we fail to teach people the thinking skills and patterns which would lead them to these and other true conclusions. They may have the unreliable dogmatism which comes from mere repetition, but they lack the true confidence which comes from deep and honest examination of an idea. Sadly, it also means they do not have the ability to discover new answers for themselves in novel situations.

On my radio show, I deliberately do not provide people many answers because I am more interested in helping people learn how to think than I am in telling them what to think. My confidence is high that such ability will ultimately get them to the right place, and it will be a place of true security as well.

Disciples, not an audience.

Jesus mentored His disciples. He interacted with them. He answered their questions. He joked with them. And He corrected them. He didn’t lecture them. He lectured the masses. And I think the reason is simple. A lecture is not the ideal form of education.

The reasons are many. If a listener doesn’t like what is being said, he can simply ignore it. If he doesn’t understand or if he disagrees, he cannot easily inquire of the speaker. Because such questions go unanswered, other people miss out on having these questions answered. When the teacher fields questions, he replaces his own assumptions about his audience with real knowledge and can more accurately tune his teaching to the real needs they have.

Finally, I believe in collaboration rather than solo performances. Although I think I have many reliable insights worth saying, I’d rather talk with people and work together toward truth instead of just trusting in my own ideas too much. So my show is built around discussion rather than presentation. I am working with my listeners to fashion a product together rather than simply distributing to them a prefabricated one.

Haggling, not purchasing.

In the Mediterranean culture of the Bible, haggling was a way of life—and such negotiations provide a great way of coming to know someone. The process of haggling gains both friends and sharper minds. We are often baffled by this when we travel to that part of the world because Americans are so transaction-oriented. "I agree," "I disagree," "I will buy," or "I will not buy." We are very comfortable with these types of shallow interactions. In the Mediterranean,the sellers understand that the product is insignificant compared with the relationship its sale can create.

In contrast, I think Americans are too concerned with conclusions instead of relationships. Thus, the key in my show is to find stimulating topics which cause people to want to talk with each other and build friendships. Whether we agree is not so much the issue,but whether we are able to love each other while we disagree and talk about it.That matters.

In Conclusion

I was concerned when I took this job—concerned that my fellow Christians wouldn’t endure me because they wanted their own ideas reinforced rather than examined and challenged. To my pleasant surprise, I discovered vast numbers of Christians who were excited about the prospect of being made to think, even if they didn’t always agree with me. And so my audience and I have created an environment where we love each other not because we agree all the time, but because we enjoy the experience of talking it over together.Every day we collaborate to show that theology, like a good relationship, is not something to be purchased or rejected, but something to be enjoyed … together.

By Andrew Tallman

Belief

Tday

Traveling from one ocean to another ocean across south America

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Oh man...here they go again
Desert people's have always and still do use camels as a mode of travel to this day. You would think that the salt trade in the hostile Sahara Desert, about 500 miles north of Timbuktu, would be taken over by trucks. But such is not the case.

 Caravans of camels are being used to pick up the salt and deliver it to the cities just as they have been doing for thousands of years. The people who use the salt place lower value on the salt delivered by the few trucks that do make the trip. The old traditional way of the caravans is preferred.

 These salt traders are the real men of the wilderness, enduring 120 degree heat at times and long journeys that take weeks through the barren deserts. Eating what ever they can and the precious supplies they bring on their journeys. Going from one watering hole to another as generations before them have done. One blessing that was given to these salt traders was from the French who lined their wells at the tops with cement. The French wanted to incur favor with the traders by this amazing effort. And it worked to a point. Today the wells are not as hard to keep cleared of sand as in times past because of these wonderful cement gifts. 

Anywhere there is a desert with people who live there, you will find camels.
Trade, beginning around 300 CE,was conducted by caravans of camels. These camels would be fattened for a number of months on the plains of either the Maghreb or the Sahel before being assembled into a caravan. According to Ibn Battuta, the explorer who accompanied one of the caravans, the average size per caravan was 1,000 camels; some caravans were as large as 12,000.The caravans would be guided by highly paid Berbers who knew the desert and could ensure safe passage from their fellow desert nomads The survival of a caravan was precarious and would rely on careful coordination. Runners would be sent ahead to oases so that water could be shipped out to the caravan when it was still several days away, as the caravans could not carry enough with them to make the full journey.

A person can still pay the Berbers to accompany a caravan on a salt journey for the ultimate adventure. One man did and wrote of his fantastic journey on a caravan to the salt mines and back. I fully enjoyed this book cover to cover! If you want to know what it was like to be on a real caravan this modern writer puts it into complete perspective like no other writers on the topic ever have.

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Dr. Gary Greenwald, The Eagle's Nest Minstries

I wanted to talk about something that has been on my mind for a few days. I have been looking over the past in my memory about what I know about Dr. Gary Greenwald of the Eagle's Nest ministries.

I first was introduced to his home by a man named Mike McDonald in the early seventies. We went to see Larry Arthur who lived with Gary I believe. Gary's room was well decorated and was clean and tidy. Larry worked for Gary in his sign company in Tustin at the time.
My next exposure to Gary was his sign company. The same man, Mike, took me to see the sign company. Some of the people who worked there showed me how Gary had revolutionized sign making by using structural foam with plastic overlay for creating letters for exterior signs.

Then I finally met Gary at Dana Point Community Chapel. Jerry Froemmling was the prophetic pastor. Jerry was a man of the Word who taught and was not afraid of the gifts of the Holy Spirit being fully exercised. Jerry actually started his church in South Laguna on Coast Hiway and Victoria street and later moved to the Dana Point community Center. My family attended this church while we lived in Laguna Beach.

Jerry would show Christian movies every Friday night. God would anoint this ministry and heal people. This is when I finally met Gary face to face.

Then awhile later I heard that there was a man showing Christian movies at "Vangard University" in Costa Mesa. And guess what? The man was Gary. Gary had obviously been deeply impressed with Jerry's ministry and replicated it. In 1975 one of his employees attended my home Bible study and gave me a large "D" made out of foam and plastic from Gary's sign shop.

I recall listening to one of my favorite Christian radio stations in the 70's and hearing a program from the Eagle's Nest. Gary had grown and was more polished.

In the 90's my friends and I had discovered Gary again and started to attend his services.

Lonnie Frisbee believed in Gary and respected him.

I watched Gary take faith and move forward in ministry. I watched Gary struggle through some hard places in life. Gary believed in his ministry and has the fruit to back it up. I place Gary in the same league as Lonnie Frisbee and Brant Baker. He is still among us...

Now to my main point here...Lonnie Frisbee, Brant Baker, Greg Laurie and Gary Greenwald all had something in common. They were all able to not look at themselves, but unto Jesus Christ and His promises over their lives. They were able to believe that God could move through themselves inspite of themselves. They all learned to yield to the Holy Spirit.

If you enter into The Eagles Nest, you will first experience the overshadowing presence of God Almighty. Then you realize that the congregation has a very unusual high level of faith.

Jesus is hindered in His ministry to others when people harbor unbelief.

Matthew 13:58And he did not many mighty works there because of their unbelief.

Mark 6:6And he marvelled because of their unbelief.

You see, Gary has this God given ability to raise the level of faith in people. The net result is that miracles happen. I love the atmosphere of The Eagle's Nest. It is uplifting and encouraging. The congregation is ultra friendly and spiritually healthy.

If you need a miracle or a touch from God, by all means, get to The Eagle's Nest. Your chances of receiving your miracle are greater there then in some 'Bible teaching' environments. No matter how good a pulpit is at the theoretical and academic things of God, there is always the need to bring God's people out of unbelief and into the positive position of believing. The Bible is not only for explaining, but for believing.

Gary believe's in his calling. He has had God take him down to death's door to get his attention. The lesson was not wasted on him. This anointed man of God gets it, he understands.

The only thing possibly holding him back is what Lonnie told me, "I hope he doesn't touch the gold..."

 

Eagle's Nest Ministries Phone: 1-949-724-8803

 http://www.eaglesnestministries.org/

 

Shekinah Fellowship: Adam/ Eagles Nest Ministries/ Dr.Gary Greenwald#links

David Sloane

4 comments:

Brian Froemmling2/12/2013 12:14 PM

Hey Mr. Sloane, I was wondering if you had any more info on Jerry Froemmling's ministry? I have been searching for what ever I can find, I am his grandson Brian Froemmling. I am also in ministry and have only got bits and pieces of his time in ministry. thank you for your time!

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Surfer512/27/2013 5:26 AM
Your request sounds as if Jerry is no longer with us. Almost a year ago Laura Froemmling your mother, showed up here:
http://www.quicktopic.com/39/H/LLn3p9VeCH5Sp

Jerry was a powerful man of God who believed what he taught about the Holy Spirit. He stood up for the truth and was an incredible bible teacher who influenced a lot of young men who went on with a deeper knowledge of what God can do.

Brian You were in Tenn or there abouts, I hope that you are like Jerry and deeply impact those around you for Christ. Jerry never lifted up his own work in the Lord, only Jesus was lifted up in his ministry. His fruit in the prophetic and in healing were powerful. There is something my friends and I call "Heritage anointing" that you can tap into by faith. Your family has a heritage in ministry that your grandfather paved the way in.

Hope your mother found employment. We couldn't do much for her other then pray because we do not take in any offerings or funds. I do this site by myself and am self supporting.

Everything any of us here do is totally done on faith.

Pastor Tilson and Pastor Jim both work to support themselves. We don't believe in taking advantage of position like others may do. Some have become very wealthy from their position, not us...LOL!

Don't ever give up, stay the course, you have a lot to offer others, as you already know.

Like apostle Paul told young Timothy, "Fan to a flame that which is in you by the laying on of hands..."

You fan the flame. You step it up by your faith. Your vision and your dream is yours. Stand strong and deliver that which the Holy Spirit gives you. Believe in yourself in Christ.

And like your Grand father read the Word. He loved the amplified Bible and as a result so do I. Cling to, rely upon and trust in the Lord. Velcro to Him...

Your mother has a prophetic gifting in the Lord. I saw it first hand so long ago. And I do believe that you, Brian, have a prophetic calling also.

David

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Brian Froemmling2/19/2014 11:16 AM
Thanks David! Grandpa Jerry is still around and I believe back in Southern California. I have not seen or talked to him for over 25 years and can't seem to get much info on his ministry. I am hoping to get an opportunity to talk to Rolland and Heidi Baker about him this year. I am apart of Larry Randolph's ministry team now. Thanks for the history on my heritage;) Bless you friend!

Brian Froemmling

Surfer512/19/2014 6:46 PM
Hi Brian,

Dr. Gary Greenwald was at your grandfather's "Dana Point community Chapel" when I was there. After the services some times Gary would pray over people and they would receive healing. Gary's ministry is in Costa Mesa CA. Here is his website:
http://www.eaglesnestministries.org/

You might try to get in touch with Gary, perhaps he can fill in some of the blanks for you concerning your grandfather. I believe he influenced Gary in ministry. Because Gary started out in ministry by duplicating Jerry's Friday night Christian based movie ministry at Vangauard University in Costa Mesa during the seventies.

I saw Larry Randolph at the Vineyard Church when John Wimber was alive and I also saw him minister at a ministry called Harvest Rock in Pasadena during the early 90's..

I was totally impressed with him. His style of ministry was very mature in the Lord and he displayed humility that was refreshing to witness as he ministered to God's people. He is one man that I give a thumbs up to.

You do well sitting under such a man of God! What an honor for you. Very blessed to know your in a place of incredible balance in ministry. Larry has had a very long road in service to the Lord and knows so much that he shares freely with those who hunger. Really great to know he is still ministering.

David Sloane

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Because they think they can do better the the Creator did?

"Li Ka-shing, widely billed as Asia's richest man, announced a $23 million Series B investment in Hampton Creek Foods through his fund Horizon Ventures on Monday, bringing the food technology startup's total take to $30 million after initial investments by people including Vinod Khosla, co-founder of Sun Microsystems. Bill Gates is also an investor and fan. The egg replacement still requires fine-tuning, according to Hampton Creek CEO Josh Tetrick, but the company's mayonnaise replacement is already on shelves at stores including Whole Foods and some of the largest retail brands in the country. (Mayo is usually made with eggs and vinegar.)"

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Super bendable phones are on the horizon. 

"By shaving off an ultrathin layer from the top of a silicon wafer, researchers have transformed rigid electronic devices into flexible ones. The shaving process could be used to fabricate parts for wearable electronics or displays that can roll up. Compared to similar techniques to make bendable silicon electronics, the new method is more cost-effective and produces more flexible devices, its developers say."

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Even though doctors love the white coats and the stethoscope facade that gives them an air of importance and authority, might they be actually stupid in some ways?

  "A new study set to be officially released Wednesday found that networks and Internet-connected devices in places such as hospitals, insurance companies and pharmaceutical companies are under siege and in many cases have been infiltrated without their knowledge. ... In the report, the groups found from September 2012 to October 2013 that 375 healthcare organizations in the U.S. had been compromised, and in many cases are still compromised because they have not yet detected the attacks. ... 'What's concerning to us is the sheer lack of basic blocking and tackling within these organizations,' said Sam Glines, chief executive of Norse. 'Firewalls were on default settings. They used very simple passwords for devices. In some cases, an organization used the same password for everything.'"

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Iran's breach of a computer network belonging to the U.S. Navy was more serious than

originally thought.

 According to a Wall Street Journal report (paywalled, but summarized at The Verge), it took the Navy four months to secure its network after the breach, and the repair cost was approximately $10 million. From the article:

 "The hackers targeted the Navy Marine Corps Intranet, the unclassified network used by the Department of the Navy to host websites, store nonsensitive information and handle voice, video and data communications. The network has 800,000 users at 2,500 locations, according to the Navy. ... The intrusion into the Navy's system was the most recent in a series of Iranian cyberoffensives that have taken U.S. military and intelligence officials by surprise. In early 2012, top intelligence officials held the view that Iran wanted to execute a cyberattack but had little capability. Not long after, Iranian hackers began a series of major "denial-of-service" attacks on a growing number of U.S. bank websites, and they launched a virus on a Saudi oil company that immobilized 30,000 computers. ... Defense officials were surprised at the skills of the Iranian hackers. Previously, their tactics had been far cruder, usually involving so-called denial of service attacks that disrupt network operations but usually don't involve a penetration of network security."

 

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It’s not just the fringe anymore. Mainstream conservatives are trying to bring America’s laws into agreement with ‘God’s law.’

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Internet speeds are exponentially increasing year after year –
 the Internet we surf today is a heck of a lot faster than it was in 2011. At some point, when boredom has well and truly set in on an idle Tuesday, it’s only natural that you might want to know where your own Internet connection clocks in on the speed spectrum. But if you were to check on one website and then again on another, you might and probably will see some discrepancy.

That was certainly our experience. We used speedtest.net and got the following results:
Five minutes later we opted for speakeasy.net and were presented with these conflicting stats:

What gives?

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The Grand Collisions That Make Snownadoes & Arctic Sea Smoke

These powerful storms result from a series of mergers governed by Mother Nature. One of them is converging geographical conditions: The storms can develop only when the cold Arctic air reaches far enough south to pass over a warm body of water. Or so they tell us...This lady believes otherwise.

Mickey

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"In case you're not in a prime viewing position for tonight's fly-by of Asteroid 2000 EM26, never fear, for the event will be webcast live for all around the world to see. The Orlando Sentinel reports that the Slooh Space Camera will be broadcasting the 3-football-field-long asteroid as it zips by us at nearly 27,000 miles per hour. Astronomer Bob Berman will be answering questions during the broadcast, submitted via Twitter with the hashtag #Asteroid."
 http://www.foxnews.com/science/2014/02/17/watch-live-asteroid-size-three-football-fields-to-hurtle-past-earth/

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Some say Obama don't care...

"Reporters Without Borders puts out their Press Freedom Index every year, and the 2014 ranking

came out today. It was not a good showing for the USA. Specifically, the U.S. registered one of the steepest falls of all nations, down 13 slots to the #46 position, just above Haiti and just below Romania."

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What happens when 120 tons of landing Boeing 767 encounters severe turbulence just above the runway? You get to see the incredible strength of modern engineering. Watch the wings flex and the landing gear absorb the shock.

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 The original "Robocop," released back in 1987 and directed by

Paul Verhoeven, was not only one of the best science fiction films of the last three decades — or, as Tom Scocca described it on Gawker, "a brilliant comedy operating in the guise of an ultraviolent action movie" — but it was also a Christian allegory.

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What I saw when I sneaked into a Wall Street secret society. I met Ross Wilbur at an event that might single-handedly explain why the rest of the country still hates financial tycoons – the annual black-tie induction ceremony of a secret Wall Street fraternity called Kappa Beta Phi.

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War is hell! American airforce drops 500 pound bomb on Americans. In this day and age of easy video we get to see what happened.  After spotting Taliban forces on a distant ridge line, U.S. Army mortar teams engage with 60mm mortars. A simultaneous airstrike is called in which accidentally drops a 500 pound bomb on a U.S. Army infantry outpost, mistaking the position for Taliban fighters. Thankfully no one was hurt other then a few blown ear drums. (rough language warning)

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